About this episodeMelissa Auf der Maur and Billy Corgan discuss the origins of their professional relationship, from her first c…AI summary
Melissa Auf der Maur and Billy Corgan discuss the origins of their professional relationship, from her first concert experience to joining Hole and later The Smashing Pumpkins. The conversation highlights the impact of unconventional parenting on Melissa's career, the technical nuances of bass playing in rock music, and the emotional complexities of navigating the 90s grunge scene. It serves as a retrospective on how both artists found their identity and artistic integrity amidst the chaos of fame and industry pressures.
Key takeaways 7
Melissa Auf der Maur's parents were influential Montreal journalists and activists who instilled in her a value for 'unique individualism' and a nomadic lifestyle, which shaped her approach to art and life.
The Smashing Pumpkins' early success was fueled by a unique blend of classic rock influences (like Led Zeppelin) filtered through a grunge lens, which attracted fans like Melissa who were seeking something more fantastical than pure punk.
Melissa's playing style is characterized by an 'aggressive pocket,' playing slightly ahead of the beat, which contrasted with Darcy's more laid-back style but created a tight rhythmic foundation for the band.
Joining Hole was initially a reluctant decision driven by loyalty to Courtney Love during her mourning period, but it evolved into a significant chapter where Melissa felt she was 'evaporating' her own identity to support Courtney's vision.
Billy Corgan recruited Melissa for The Smashing Pumpkins not just as a touring bassist, but as a mentor figure to help her regain her musical confidence after her time in Hole, viewing it as an opportunity for her growth.
The band's final tour was marked by internal disintegration but external momentum, with Billy attempting to record a secret posthumous album (Machina II) that Melissa declined to participate in due to trust issues and emotional exhaustion.
Melissa is releasing a memoir and a 90s rock photography book/exhibit, aiming to preserve the 'analog' culture of the era and provide a female perspective on the grunge movement.
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“The bass is the instrument that is unnoticed, but no one can live without.”
▶ 0:00Melissa describing the role of the bass guitar in a rock band.
“My parents... raised me with the idea that the golden thread to a purpose in life is to just know what you love, needs to do. Never work for the man. never work for anybody else but your your vision of what the world needs.”
Melissa explaining the influence of her activist parents on her career choices.
“I remember you said, 'Wow, one day maybe you'll play in my band.' ... That is when you captured my heart.”
▶ 0:19Billy recalling the moment Melissa joined The Smashing Pumpkins after their first meeting.
“We're like Led Zeppelin but without all the elves.”
▶ 16:58Billy quoting James Iha about The Smashing Pumpkins' sound.
“I was so pissed when I realized like, oh my god, we just did all this. Courtney showed up. The record label pays all this money. We have a hit record and she's going to put our tour on hold to go make Hollywood movies.”
▶ 52:56Melissa expressing frustration with Courtney Love's prioritization of acting over Hole's music.
Chapters & Sections (48)▼
0:00Growing Up with Influential and Unconventional Parentschapter2
2:03Childhood Influences and Family Dynamics
4:15Early Art Education and Influences
5:44The Art of Rock Music Photographychapter1
8:35Early Days of a Band's First Show
11:11The Power of Live Music and Performancechapter2
12:44Confrontation and Performance Under Pressure
14:07Discovering Inspiration at a Music Festival
15:44Discovering Classic Rock and Inspirationchapter1
18:12Early Days of Pearl Jam and Alternative Music
20:11Early Days of Music Career and Band Formationchapter3
22:07Opening for a Major Band at a Sold-Out Venue
23:47The Art of Playing Bass Music
25:18The Role of the Bass in Music
28:10The Art of Playing Music with Jimmychapter1
30:24Courtney Love's Self-Perception and Beauty Standards
33:08Audition Process for Smashing Pumpkinschapter2
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