Dino Mavrookas - Fmr. Navy SEAL (DEVGRU) / CEO of Saronic Technologies | SRS #205

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Chapters & Sections (410)

00:00 Podcast Introduction and Guest Recognition chapter 3
00:00 Host Welcome and Guest Introduction
00:32 Guest Praise for Military Background
01:03 Overview of Seronic Mission and Vision
01:34 Shipbuilding Capacity Crisis and Historical Context chapter 3
01:34 Statistical Overview of U.S. Shipbuilding Decline
02:06 China’s Maritime Expansion and U.S. Response
03:12 World War II Shipbuilding Numbers vs Today
04:13 Government Acquisition Process and Its Limitations chapter 3
04:13 Challenges of Bureaucracy for Defense Startups
05:16 Navigating the Pentagon Acquisition Lifecycle
06:21 Obsolescence of Long‑Term Defense Projects
07:21 Urgency of Technological Innovation in Defense chapter 3
07:21 Government Speed vs Technological Pace
08:21 Call to Accelerate Innovation in Defense
09:26 Historical Evolution of Defense Spending and Procurement
09:57 Historical Context of Defense Contracting chapter 2
09:57 World War I Origins of Contracting
10:28 Cold War Military Spending Levels
11:00 Post-Cold War Budget Cuts and Industry Consolidation chapter 3
11:00 The Last Supper Meeting and Contractor Consolidation
11:32 Rise of the Big Five Defense Contractors
12:03 Impact of Afghanistan and Iraq on Defense Focus
12:33 Shift to Counterinsurgency and Changing Threat Landscape chapter 2
12:33 Strategic Shift to Counterterrorism
13:04 Reduced Spending and Innovation Constraints
13:37 Innovation Challenges in a Reduced-Competition Environment chapter 2
13:37 Government Support for Rapid Innovation Units
14:09 Fast-Tracking Defense Technologies
14:43 Emergence of New Defense Tech Companies and Funding Dynamics chapter 4
14:43 SpaceX, Palantir, and Anderl as Emerging Players
15:14 Capitalization and Scale Requirements for Defense Firms
15:45 Reinvestment Strategy to Accelerate Innovation
16:16 PPBE Process Overview and Its Impact on New Companies
16:48 Navigating the PPBE Process for Emerging Firms chapter 3
16:48 Planning Phase Constraints for Emerging Firms
17:51 Timing Challenges in the 2024 and 2025 Budgets
18:52 Rapid Acquisition Channels like OTAAS
19:24 Defense Tech Startup Strategy chapter 6
19:24 Budget Planning for Early Years
19:55 Market Concentration and Government Contracts
20:25 Advocating for Startup Competition
20:56 Commitment to Delivery and Reliability
21:26 Building Trust with Navy Procurement
21:57 Introduction to ROA Eyewear
22:28 Product Promotion – ROA Eyewear chapter 5
22:28 Performance Features of ROA Shades
23:00 ROA Product Line and Availability
23:33 Promotional Offer for ROA Customers
24:03 Personal Motivation and USCCCA Membership
24:36 USCCCA Support for Responsible Gun Owners
25:07 Lobbying and Acquisition Process chapter 4
25:07 Lobbying Company Overview
26:10 Influencing Defense Acquisition Stakeholders
27:12 Strategic Initiative Example – SEAL Radios
28:15 Securing Congressional Buy-In
28:45 Navigating the Military Procurement Ecosystem chapter 2
28:45 Identifying Key Military Partners
29:00 Lobbying for Budget and Appropriation
29:17 Parallel Development of Technology and Policy chapter 2
29:17 Balancing Tech Development with Procurement Timelines
29:30 Parallel Execution of R&D and Policy Work
29:49 Storytelling with Prototype Slides chapter 2
29:49 Creating a Visual Pitch with an Electric Surfboard Slide
30:05 Refining the Prototype into a Realizable Concept
30:21 Building Modular Platforms for Multiple Customers chapter 2
30:21 Designing Modular Platforms for Military and Commercial Use
30:45 Ensuring Economic Viability Across Customer Segments
31:23 Engaging Stakeholders and Securing Early Contracts chapter 2
31:23 Securing a Cooperative Research Agreement with the Navy
31:50 Listening to Customer Needs Before Building
32:25 Understanding Military Leadership Structure chapter 2
32:25 Explaining the Dual Military Leadership Structure
33:00 Aligning War Fighter and Combatant Command Requirements
34:00 Congressional Support and Bipartisan Initiative chapter 2
34:00 Highlighting Congressional Momentum for Drone Adoption
35:01 Bipartisan Support and Executive Initiative
36:35 Rapid Government Adoption and Entrepreneurial Perspective chapter 2
36:35 Entrepreneurial Response to Rapid Government Action
37:07 Communicating Credibility as a Young Company
37:39 Community Engagement and Patreon Growth chapter 1
37:39 Patreon Community Growth and Studio Expansion
38:09 Market Potential for Autonomous Surface Vehicles chapter 1
38:09 Audience Q&A Opportunity for Guests
38:42 Scale and Types of Autonomous Vessels chapter 3
38:42 Public Sector Market Outlook for Autonomous Vessels
39:16 Small vs. Large Autonomous Vessel Development
39:49 Commercial Use Cases for Small Autonomous Vessels
40:21 Commercial Applications and Strategic Importance chapter 1
40:21 Logistics and Capacity Arguments for Military Relevance
41:28 China’s Shipbuilding Capacity vs. U.S. Capabilities chapter 2
41:28 China’s Shipbuilding Scale Compared to the U.S.
42:31 Commercial Fleet Numbers and Strategic Implications
43:33 Personal Background and Early Life in New Jersey chapter 4
43:33 Historical Growth of China’s Shipbuilding Capacity
44:37 Early Life in New Jersey and Family Heritage
45:37 Grandfather’s Immigration Story and Business Foundations
46:08 Childhood Work in the Family Restaurant
47:11 Early Life, First Love, and Relationship Foundations chapter 3
47:11 Meeting Wife at Greek Orthodox Church and Early High School Years
47:43 First Date After a Decade of Friendship
48:14 Reconnecting During SEAL Training and Marriage Milestones
49:49 Family Heritage, Sports Involvement, and Childhood Lessons chapter 3
49:49 Wife’s Support Through Career Transitions and Family Life
50:21 Family Background, Greek Roots, and American Dream Narrative
50:51 Early Sports Participation and Basketball Passion
51:55 Basketball Decision, Perseverance, and Personal Growth chapter 3
51:55 High School Basketball Experience and Decision to Quit
52:56 College Training Regimen, Persistence, and Lessons on Failure
54:01 Impact of Basketball Story on Military Ambition and Success
54:33 Military Pathway, 9/11 Impact, and Future Aspirations chapter 1
55:04 Joining the Military, 9/11 Experience, and Future Vision
56:07 Witnessing the Collapse of the Twin Towers chapter 3
56:07 Wife’s Last Train Ride and the Tower Collapse
56:38 Impact of 9/11 on Personal Perspective
57:10 Friend’s Family Tragedy and the Desire to Serve
57:41 From College Engineer to Military Aspirant chapter 3
57:41 College Computer Engineering and Questioning Impact
58:12 Exploring Federal Career Days and Military Misconceptions
58:42 Recruiter Encounters Across Army, Air Force, and Navy
59:13 Recruitment and the First Glimpse of SEAL Culture chapter 3
59:13 First Meeting with a Retired Frogman and SEAL Introduction
1:00:18 Hypothermia Experience on the Jersey Shore
1:01:24 Mentorship Network and Decision to Enlist
1:02:25 Balancing Family, Parenting, and Athletic Ambitions chapter 3
1:02:25 Parenting Philosophy and Gymnastics Support
1:03:28 Planning for Olympic-Level Training
1:04:34 Commitment to Daily Rigorous Gymnastics Regimen
1:05:04 Homeschooling Philosophy and Parenting Approach chapter 4
1:05:04 Homeschooling Decision and Flexibility
1:05:36 Parenting Philosophy on Passion and Investment
1:06:06 Encouraging Athletic Ambition Without Pressure
1:06:37 Break Announcement and Transition to Commercials
1:07:09 Commercial Break with Product Promotions chapter 2
1:07:09 Paladin Power Energy Storage Promotion
1:08:15 Hillsdale College Capitalism Course Promotion
1:09:22 Return to Interview – Military Career Overview chapter 5
1:09:22 Military Career Introduction – Enlistment and BUDS
1:10:26 Radar Technician Training and Early Navy Experience
1:10:57 BUDS Hell Week Challenges and Physical Strain
1:11:28 Hell Week Mental Resilience and Peer Support
1:12:31 Physical Exhaustion and Instructor Guidance During Hell Week
1:14:07 Early Struggles and Decision to Persist chapter 3
1:14:07 Moments of Doubt and the Desire to Quit
1:14:37 Encouragement from a Mentor to Keep Going
1:15:09 Training Intensity and Physical Demands of Hell Week
1:15:43 Physical Training Challenges and Learning Techniques chapter 2
1:16:15 Drownproofing Exercise Description and Failure Experience
1:17:16 Instructor Support and Skill Acquisition for Drownproofing
1:17:48 Mental Resilience and Professional Mindset Development chapter 1
1:18:19 Personal Growth Through Overcoming Physical Limitations
1:19:19 Observing Peer Performance and Age Impact on Recovery chapter 2
1:19:19 Observing Peer Attrition and the Role of Youth in Training
1:20:23 Mental Strength Development for Long-Term Success
1:21:28 Transition to SDV Team and Career Progression chapter 2
1:21:28 Graduation Experience and Transition to SDV Team
1:23:03 Choosing Virginia Beach for SDV Training and Early Deployment
1:23:34 Transition to Team Six and First Overseas Deployment chapter 4
1:23:34 Team Six Augmentation Experience
1:24:06 First Day in Team Room and Initial Impressions
1:24:38 Blend-In Selection for Local Populace
1:25:10 Deployment Overview and Subsequent Iraq Assignment
1:26:16 Decision-Making Philosophy in Training chapter 6
1:26:16 Motivation to Join Team Six and Selection Process Insight
1:27:18 Emphasis on Decisive Action in Training Scenarios
1:28:20 Close Quarters Combat Decision-Making Example
1:29:22 Training Feedback on Shooting Through Open Doors
1:30:24 Physical Endurance Exercise and Mental Resilience Lesson
1:31:25 Reflection on Decision-Making Philosophy
1:31:58 Personal Support and Family Dynamics During Deployments chapter 2
1:31:58 Family Support During Deployments
1:33:02 Work-Life Balance and Spousal Career Adjustments
1:33:34 Deployment Challenges and Decision to Leave chapter 2
1:33:34 Managing Foreign Special Forces During Deployment
1:35:10 Operational Constraints and Political Barriers
1:36:14 Transition to Business School and Career Reassessment chapter 2
1:36:14 Decision to Leave Military for Family and Business School
1:37:17 Initial Interest in Business and Finance
1:38:53 Navigating Business School and Finance Exploration chapter 3
1:38:53 Realizing the Need for Structured Learning at Business School
1:39:55 Exploring Private Equity as a Career Path
1:40:59 Gaining Investment and Operating Experience
1:41:30 Breaking into Private Equity After Business School chapter 1
1:41:30 Challenges of Entering Private Equity from Business School
1:43:06 Decision to Pursue Private Equity chapter 3
1:43:06 Conversation with Wife About Career Choice
1:43:37 Commitment to Building Financial Models
1:44:09 Three-Week Model Development Challenge
1:44:39 Building Financial Models and Interview Strategy chapter 2
1:44:39 Interview Approach Without Investment Banking Background
1:45:09 Demonstrating Model Building Skills to Partner
1:45:42 Career Progression in Private Equity Firms chapter 1
1:45:42 Early Career at HIG Capital and Vista
1:46:14 Private Equity vs. Venture Capital Explained chapter 3
1:46:14 Defining Private Equity vs. Venture Capital
1:47:14 Risk Profile and Investment Outcomes in VC
1:48:17 Private Equity as Low-Risk, High-Return Model
1:48:48 Transition from Military to Civilian Life chapter 3
1:48:48 Metaphor of House Flipping vs. Land Development
1:49:50 Challenges of Military Transition and PTSD
1:50:22 Imposter Syndrome and Academic Support
1:52:25 Veteran Mental Health and Medical Care chapter 3
1:52:25 Veteran Doctor Interaction and Trauma Disclosure
1:53:32 Education on Combat Trauma Impact
1:54:03 Initial Resistance to Veteran Support Networks
1:54:34 Transition to Civilian Life and Competitiveness chapter 3
1:54:34 Competitive Mindset in Military Teams
1:55:04 Healthy vs. Unhealthy Competition
1:56:08 Choosing the Right Competitors
1:57:11 Redefining Competition in the Business World chapter 3
1:57:11 Shifting Competition Beyond Peers
1:58:13 Applying Competitive Mindset to Private Equity
1:59:14 Overcoming Impostor Syndrome in Business
2:00:15 Limitations, Purpose, and Building a Successful Company chapter 2
2:00:15 Belief in Limitations and Purposeful Growth
2:01:20 Building a Multi‑Billion Dollar Company as a Veteran
2:01:51 Motivation to Return to Defense chapter 4
2:01:52 Decision to Start Seronic
2:02:23 Desire to Keep People Safe
2:02:55 Unexpected Valuation Growth
2:03:25 Accelerated Timeline and Team Impact
2:03:58 Rapid Growth and Team Building chapter 4
2:04:30 World-Class Team Composition
2:05:33 Capital and Investor Support
2:06:05 Customer Adoption and Navy Culture Shift
2:07:09 Trust and Responsibility in Leadership
2:07:40 Founding Seronic and Personal Decision Making chapter 5
2:07:40 Personal Conversation with Wife About Career Shift
2:08:44 Balancing Private Equity Workload and Personal Fulfillment
2:09:13 Family Support and Decision to Quit Job
2:10:45 Planning the Launch of Seronic
2:11:46 Initial Steps and Investor Outreach
2:12:17 Reconnecting with a Mentor chapter 3
2:12:17 Breakfast Meeting with a Former Colleague
2:12:49 Discussion of Investment Opportunities
2:13:19 Mentor’s Offer to Support a New Venture
2:13:52 From Idea to Execution chapter 3
2:13:52 Initial Defense Tech Idea and Diligence Process
2:14:56 Deep Dive into 5G Cybersecurity
2:15:28 Evaluating Market Viability and Pivoting
2:17:01 Exploring Maritime Autonomy chapter 2
2:17:01 Identifying Maritime Autonomy Opportunities
2:18:04 Assessing Current Marine Platforms and Innovation Gaps
2:20:09 Strategic Imperatives and National Security chapter 2
2:20:09 Strategic Need for Autonomous Naval Systems
2:20:43 Geopolitical Context and National Security Imperatives
2:22:17 Geopolitical Context and Strategic Imperatives chapter 3
2:22:17 Democracy Projection vs. Chinese Influence
2:22:50 Deterrence and Strategic Geography
2:23:23 Defining the Threat Landscape in the South Pacific
2:23:53 Building the Core Founding Team chapter 4
2:23:53 Capital and Team Building Strategy
2:24:25 Doug Lambert’s Maritime Autonomy Background
2:24:58 Vib Alakar’s Software and Vision Role
2:25:30 Rob Layman’s Government Insight and Networking
2:26:02 Recruiting Key Talent and Manufacturing Vision chapter 6
2:26:02 Recruitment of John Morgan for Manufacturing
2:26:33 Early Hiring Philosophy and Scale Focus
2:27:05 Rob Layman’s Navy Background and Influence
2:27:38 Manufacturing Head John Morgan’s SpaceX Experience
2:28:09 Strategic Decision to Hire Manufacturing Early
2:29:42 Prototype Development and Rapid Iteration
2:31:16 Rapid Prototype Development and Early Testing chapter 1
2:31:16 First Autonomous Boat Build Using Off‑The‑Shelf Parts
2:32:18 Rapid Prototyping and Congressional Engagement chapter 2
2:32:18 First Prototype Presentation to Congress
2:32:50 Congressman’s Reaction and Speed Emphasis
2:33:22 Product Development Cycle and Scale-Up chapter 3
2:33:22 Rapid Iteration with Navy and Commercial Testing
2:33:54 Design Spin and Manufacturing Launch
2:34:24 Three Product Lines in Two Years
2:34:54 Global Expansion, Manufacturing Footprint, and Production Strategy chapter 3
2:34:54 Manufacturing Footprint and Global Offices
2:35:25 Replicable Production Lines for Allies
2:35:56 Scaling Manufacturing Processes in Maritime Industry
2:37:01 Company Naming, Mythology, and Vision chapter 3
2:37:01 Origin of the Company Name and Mythological Roots
2:37:32 Wife’s Naming Process and Final Decision
2:38:05 Company Vision Inspired by Ancient Naval Battle
2:41:49 Platform Evolution and Technical Specifications chapter 4
2:41:49 Initial Vessel Sizes and Capabilities
2:42:19 Hardware Specifications and Modularity
2:42:49 Base Platform Design for Defense and Commercial Use
2:43:19 Importance of Dual‑Use Architecture
2:43:50 Dual‑Use Design Rationale and Supply Chain Strategy chapter 1
2:43:50 Cost Reduction through Commercial Supply Chains
2:44:23 Autonomous Control Concepts and Scalability chapter 10
2:44:23 Concept of Limitless Control via Software
2:44:56 Swarm Coordination and Target Sharing
2:45:26 Scalable Human Operator Load Reduction
2:45:56 Control Limits and Formation Flexibility
2:46:27 Edge Intelligence on Individual Boats
2:47:00 From Waypoint Planning to Autonomous Mission Execution
2:47:31 Scaling Beyond Manual Route Planning
2:48:02 Swarm Search and Target Engagement Workflow
2:48:34 Human Operator Authorization and Simplified Controls
2:49:05 Information Sharing Constraints in Combat Environments
2:50:41 Operational Scenarios, Human Interface, and Decision Flow chapter 1
2:50:41 Edge Processing and Minimal Data Transmission
2:51:13 AI Training and Scenario Development chapter 2
2:51:13 Scenario Variability in Combat and AI Training
2:52:14 Real-Time Model Updates During Conflict
2:52:46 Testing Infrastructure and Reliability Investment chapter 1
2:52:46 Investment in Water-Based Testing Facilities
2:53:48 Platform Specifications and Mission Capabilities chapter 3
2:53:48 Range and Payload Capacities of 6ft, 14ft, and 24ft Boats
2:54:20 Comparative Endurance of Autonomous vs. Human-Operated Boats
2:54:53 Modular Payload Integration for Military and Commercial Use
2:55:23 Modular Design Philosophy and Payload Flexibility chapter 2
2:55:23 Kinetic Capability Flexibility on Modular Platforms
2:56:25 Fuel Types Across Platform Sizes and Their Impact on Range
2:57:26 Fueling Strategies and Energy Density Considerations chapter 1
2:57:26 Future Expansion to Larger Autonomous Ships
2:58:59 Deployment Logistics and Global Reach chapter 1
2:58:59 Logistical Considerations for Deploying Platforms Globally
3:00:31 Logistics Challenges for Hypersonic Platforms chapter 2
3:00:31 Hypersonic Platform Range Limitations
3:01:04 Navy Collaboration on Maintenance and Sustainment
3:01:36 Strategic Deterrence and Deployment Logistics chapter 2
3:01:36 Logistics of Deploying Platforms Beyond Home Waters
3:02:07 Deterrence Strategy and Deployment Planning
3:02:38 Autonomous Submarine Detection Concepts chapter 2
3:02:38 Detection Capabilities of Autonomous Systems
3:03:09 Autonomous Submarine Detection Network Concept
3:04:14 Modular Autonomous Ship Design and Logistics chapter 3
3:04:14 Modular Cargo and Autonomous Vehicle Integration
3:05:16 Autonomous Logistics Vehicles vs. Manned Platforms
3:06:17 Chinese Shipbuilding Capacity and Autonomy Response
3:07:18 Autonomy as a Counter to Chinese Shipbuilding Capacity chapter 2
3:07:18 Complexity Reduction in Autonomous Ships
3:08:21 Human Presence and Ship Design Obsolescence
3:08:52 Rapid Autonomous Ship Production Vision chapter 2
3:08:52 Rapid Production Cycle Goals
3:09:23 Shipyard Expansion and Production Targets
3:09:54 U.S. Naval Shipbuilding Capacity and Strategic Goals chapter 2
3:09:54 Current Fleet Numbers and Future Shipbuilding Targets
3:10:53 Challenges in Meeting Long‑Term Naval Goals
3:13:01 Autonomous Platforms and Human Safety Considerations chapter 2
3:13:01 Role of Autonomous Ships in Modern Warfare
3:13:30 Human Safety and Ethical Deployment of Robots
3:14:32 Revitalizing Shipbuilding Industry with New Capabilities chapter 2
3:14:32 Scaling Shipbuilding Capacity to Match China
3:15:35 Building a New Advanced Shipyard
3:17:39 Competitive Landscape and Future of Naval Construction chapter 2
3:17:39 Competitive Dynamics with Established Prime Contractors
3:18:12 Encouraging Fair Competition and Innovation in Shipbuilding
3:19:46 Reliability and Delivery Standards chapter 2
3:19:46 Commitment to On-Time, On-Budget Delivery
3:20:16 Challenges in Shipbuilding Program Delays
3:20:45 Modularity and Weapon Integration chapter 5
3:20:50 Designing for Current and Future Weapon Systems
3:21:22 Payload Bay Specifications and Modularity
3:21:53 Customer Discovery for Modular Platforms
3:22:24 Software-First Approach to Integration
3:22:55 Role of Seronic in Ship Modifications
3:23:26 Integration Speed and Partnerships chapter 2
3:23:26 Government and Prime Contractor Integration Models
3:24:29 Scaling Integration to Match Manufacturing Pace
3:25:32 Autonomy Levels and Human Control chapter 4
3:25:32 Edge Intelligence and Human Control in Autonomy
3:26:04 Men-in-the-Loop vs. Men-on-the-Loop Concepts
3:27:07 Reducing Cognitive Load for Operators
3:27:38 Human Oversight in Autonomous Weapon Systems
3:28:38 Autonomous Decision-Making in Combat chapter 8
3:28:38 Human vs. Machine in Missile Defense
3:29:09 Electronic Warfare Challenges
3:29:39 Edge Intelligence Requirements
3:30:10 Bandwidth Constraints and Data Reduction
3:30:41 Man‑in‑the‑Loop vs. Man‑Out‑of‑the‑Loop
3:31:13 Autonomous Weapon System Decision Scope
3:31:46 Approval Processes for Kill Chains
3:32:19 ISR Feed Limitations and Target Confirmation
3:32:51 Cyber Security and Threat Mitigation chapter 3
3:33:22 Cyber Security Protocols for Military Systems
3:33:52 Protecting Company Infrastructure from State Actors
3:34:24 China’s Cyber Threat Landscape
3:34:58 Strategic Considerations for Fleet Autonomy chapter 4
3:34:58 Feasibility of Retrofitting Existing Fleet
3:35:30 Cost and Integration Challenges for Autonomy
3:36:04 Hardware‑Software Co‑Design Approach
3:36:36 Strategic Necessity of Manned Ships
3:37:09 Historical Context and Future Naval Power Projection chapter 2
3:37:09 Historical Shift from Battleships to Carriers
3:37:40 Carrier‑Based Aviation as Power Projection
3:38:12 Strategic Vision for Autonomous Naval Forces chapter 3
3:38:12 Autonomous Aircraft vs. Manned Fighters Debate
3:38:42 Cost-Benefit Analysis of Fleet Size
3:39:15 Projected Savings from Reduced Manpower
3:39:47 Scaling Production and Facility Expansion chapter 3
3:39:47 Facility Expansion to Support Unmanned Vessels
3:40:17 Scaling Production Capacity for Thousands of Boats
3:40:48 Operational Readiness Estimates for 2,000 Autonomous Boats
3:41:18 Operational Logistics and Human Resource Implications chapter 4
3:41:18 Human Operators Needed for Launch and Recovery
3:41:49 Software Scalability Across Multiple Missions
3:42:20 Rapid Technological Advancement and Its Impact
3:42:50 Future Manpower Requirements for the Navy
3:43:22 Future Navy Manpower and Strategic Balance chapter 3
3:43:22 Strategic Implications of Reduced Human Risk
3:45:27 Balancing Fleet Size and Capability Over Time
3:47:30 Augmenting the Navy Through Autonomy
3:48:02 Strategic Defense Funding Discussion chapter 2
3:48:02 Navy and Congress Alignment on Defense Needs
3:48:15 Economic Efficiency of New Technologies
3:48:33 Studio Security and Autonomous Patrols chapter 2
3:48:33 Autonomous Vehicle Deployment
3:48:50 Commercial Use Cases for Studio Protection
3:49:04 Closing Remarks and Appreciation chapter 2
3:49:04 Host Gratitude to Guest
3:49:34 Call to Action for Audience

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