About this episodeRebel INS discusses his upcoming solo album 'Dragon's Breath' and collaboration with Tom Hardy, while reflecti…AI summary
Rebel INS discusses his upcoming solo album 'Dragon's Breath' and collaboration with Tom Hardy, while reflecting on Wu-Tang Clan's historical ban from Hot 97 and early touring struggles in hostile markets. He shares insights on the evolution of regional hip-hop culture, the importance of therapy and personal growth at age 56, and his collaborative philosophy within the Wu-Tang Clan.
Key takeaways 5
Wu-Tang Clan faced a de facto ban from Hot 97 radio for over a decade after a controversial 1990s performance, with industry insiders allegedly paying to keep them off-air, which Rebel INS notes added to their 'lore' and mystique.
Early 90s hip-hop was highly regionalized and siloed; New York artists often dismissed Southern and West Coast talent until the culture shifted, with Rebel INS noting that Southern hip-hop eventually took over the mainstream.
Rebel INS emphasizes the necessity of therapy and self-reflection for older artists, stating that at 56, one must address past felonies and bad decisions to make better present choices for future success.
The Wu-Tang Clan's dynamic involves a competitive but respectful environment where members like Ghostface Killah and Method Man push each other lyrically, with RZA often assigning opening verses to Rebel INS due to his strong start.
Rebel INS's creative process is beat-driven; he listens to the instrumental to determine the flow and narrative direction, allowing the beat to dictate whether the track feels like a 'rocket ship' or a 'bike ride through the hood.'
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“The world never heard all this. You know what I mean? And what might be outdated to me, it might be necessary and needed today for somebody else.”
▶ 3:00Rebel INS explaining why he released older material on his solo album despite feeling it might be stale.
“It was like sabotage that didn't work. It adds to the lore though... if something's banned or if I can't hear something or I got to go out of my way to go listen to something, you want to check it out.”
Discussing the Hot 97 ban and how restriction created demand for Wu-Tang's music.
“At 56 years old, you can't be having felonies on your back and all of that. like you got to really get yourself together, get your mind right.”
▶ 24:02Rebel INS discussing the personal lessons learned during his time in criminal court and the importance of therapy.
“You know what I'm saying? We not pulling out we not aiming our guns at each other. It's just more like, yo, you smoke that. I got to Yeah. Ain't no way.”
▶ 0:25Describing the competitive but supportive lyrical dynamic within Wu-Tang Clan sessions.
“I like let the beat rock and and see where the beat take me. You know, like the beat might be a rocket ship and take you over here or the beat could be a a bike where you you ride through the hood.”
▶ 36:22Explaining his method of adapting his flow and rhyme scheme based on the instrumental's vibe.
Chapters & Sections (18)▼
0:00Wu-Tang's 90s Hot 97 History and Solo Album Releasechapter1
2:21Solo Album Creation and Hot 97 History
5:19Wu-Tang's Hot 97 Ban and Tour Struggleschapter1
8:19Wu-Tang's Dangerous Texas Tour Experience
10:26Wu-Tang Clan Early NY Chaos and Open Mic Dayschapter2
12:29Staten Island Roots and Open Mic Struggles
13:51Networking at Hip Hop Conventions and Open Mic Struggles
15:22Regional Hip Hop Evolution and Culture Shiftschapter
20:13Missing Knicks Playoff and Therapy Lessonschapter2
22:47Knicks Playoff Regret and Therapy Lessons
24:32Overcoming Past Mistakes and Releasing Music
26:29Album Themes and Tom Hardy Collaborationchapter1
28:12Tom Hardy Rapping and Marvel Licensing
31:06Collaboration Philosophy and Wu-Tang Verse Orderchapter1
32:56Wu-Tang Verse Order and Lyrical Influences
35:29Lyrical Style Evolution and 90s Video Warschapter2
37:29Tony Touch Mixtape Blessing and 90s Video Wars
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