About this episodeTasha Cobbs Leonard discusses her journey from a strict holiness church upbringing to becoming a global gospel…AI summary
Tasha Cobbs Leonard discusses her journey from a strict holiness church upbringing to becoming a global gospel artist, emphasizing that her music is born from personal breakthroughs with depression and anxiety. She advocates for a shift in the church from performative judgment to radical empathy, sharing how her identity in Christ and intentional family structure guide her decisions. The conversation highlights the importance of mentorship, the value of 'favor' in marriage and adoption, and the necessity of physical and spiritual health to sustain ministry.
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Creative Process: Leonard’s music is not just artistic expression but a ministry born from personal seasons of struggle; she wrote 'Break Every Chain' while battling depression and anxiety, using the song as a tool for her own breakthrough before releasing it.
Church Culture Critique: She argues that the modern church often lacks 'real' conversations about mental health, grief, and temptation, preferring performative piety over empathy. She believes the church is quick to judge but slow to understand the specific temptations individuals face.
Mentorship and Homage: Leonard credits her success to mentors like William Murphy and Kirk Franklin who provided 'relational equity' and training. She contrasts this with the current generation's lack of study of the game, noting that young artists often skip the preparation phase required to handle success.
Identity in Christ: She rejects the pressure to be a 'perfect PK' (preacher's kid) or public figure, explaining that hiding flaws leads to self-rejection and depression. Her identity is rooted in being God's daughter, which allows her to represent Him rather than just follow rules.
Marriage and Favor: Leonard describes marriage as requiring divine 'favor' or grace to navigate trials. She shares how this favor allowed her and her husband to move from IVF failure to adoption, viewing their son Asher as a direct answer to prayer orchestrated by God.
Fitness as Worship: Her fitness journey (Club 360) began as a personal decision to care for her body as a temple. She uses public accountability (posting workouts) to maintain consistency, noting that consistency is more effective than quick fixes like Ozempic for long-term health.
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“I don't care what your relationship is with God. I don't care what your relationship is with depression or mental... Everybody have certain list of songs... I got to go in my solitude. And man, you got about four bangers... It's uncomfortable. Yeah. But I trust you.”
▶ 5:05Leonard explains how her music serves as a spiritual anchor during difficult times, even for those not in the church, emphasizing trust in God during discomfort.
“The church is very forgiving... But they'll be the first to accept you back... We got to stop being so judgmental from the beginning... Empathy. The ability to empathize with a person is something that is not as common as you would think.”
▶ 1:42:43A critique of church culture where acceptance often comes after judgment, highlighting the need for empathy before correction.
“You can't fake fit. No, you cannot... You can't fake fit. And so, I am literally enjoying watching not just what God is doing through me, but to watch those ladies show up every month...”
▶ 2:14:15Leonard emphasizes that true health requires consistency and persistence, rejecting quick fixes in favor of disciplined effort.
“Greater works will you do than me... Everything about me, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I want you to see it all.”
▶ 55:04William Murphy’s advice to Leonard about transparency and preparation, which she applies to mentoring younger artists today.
“I knew him. I knew him. So just like any blended family... You have to be aware... You got to love yourself first. I knew how to love me. I knew what love meant to me.”
▶ 1:55:31Leonard’s advice on finding a partner, emphasizing self-love and knowing one's own worth before entering a marriage.
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