How I Played on "Thriller," "Bad," & Daft Punk's Biggest Hit! -Paul Jackson Jr.

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About this episode Paul Jackson Jr. shares his 48-year career as the most recorded guitar player, emphasizing that success relies… AI summary

Paul Jackson Jr. shares his 48-year career as the most recorded guitar player, emphasizing that success relies on relationships, adaptability, and a 'session-ready' mindset. He details his work on iconic albums like Thriller and Random Access Memories, explaining how Quincy Jones' '10-second rule' and the philosophy of thinking like a drummer are critical for studio musicians. Jackson also discusses the modern shift to remote recording and AI, advocating for embracing technology while maintaining high musical standards.

Key takeaways 6
  • The '10-Second Rule': Quincy Jones taught that musicians must catch the listener's ear within the first 10 seconds of a track, as radio listeners and modern streaming audiences have short attention spans.
  • Guitar as a Drummer: Following Freddie Green's philosophy, guitarists should identify which drum they are (hi-hat, snare, etc.) and lock in with the drummer's specific clock and feel, rather than just playing fills.
  • Session Readiness: To handle cold calls, musicians must have a versatile setup including various guitars (electric, hollow-body), amps, pedals, and the ability to read music, adhering to the principle that 'if you stay ready, you ain't got to get ready.'
  • Remote Recording Dominance: The industry has shifted to 90-95% remote tracking due to the convenience of having pre-wired home studios with amp modeling tech (Kemper, Tone Master Pro) that ensures consistent sound across different locations.
  • AI as a Tool, Not a Creator: AI is useful for stem separation (e.g., Moises app) and research, but cannot replace human input; 'garbage in, garbage out' applies to AI music generation.
  • Mentorship Importance: Jackson emphasizes the duty to share knowledge with the next generation, citing his time teaching at USC and creating his app 'This Is How I Did It' to break down his famous parts.
Notable quotes 5 AI-generated: wording and quote attribution may be wrong. Use the play link to verify.
  • “You got to catch people within 10 seconds... If you don't catch people within 10 seconds back then, they change the station. Now they'll go to something else streaming.”
    ▶ 17:14 Explaining Quincy Jones' philosophy on creating immediate 'ear candy' to retain listener attention.
  • “A guitar player should be a drummer that plays chords. You're a drummer. You have to figure out which drum you are.”
    ▶ 21:57 Paul Jackson Jr. explaining the Freddie Green approach to locking in with the rhythm section.
  • “People don't go to hell because they do the wrong things; people go to hell because they don't have the right relationship.”
    ▶ 10:40 Paul Jackson Jr. reflecting on how his career was built on relationships and recommendations rather than just technical skill.
  • “If you stay ready you ain't got to get ready.”
    ▶ 20:02 A quote from Dr. J. Quik that Paul Jackson Jr. uses to describe his preparation for session work.
  • “You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear... You have to give it some type of input and the better the input the better the outcome.”
    ▶ 33:11 Paul Jackson Jr.'s perspective on using AI in music production.

Chapters & Sections (23)

0:00 Booking Sessions via Mom's Phone chapter 1
2:38 Calling Mom for Session Bookings
5:43 Becoming a Session Musician chapter 2
7:47 Studio Musician Career and Ray Parker Jr
9:15 Relationships and Longevity in Music Sessions
10:47 Quincy Jones Studio Process and Thriller Creation chapter 2
12:20 Paul Jackson Jr. Quincy Jones Collaboration History
14:10 Quincy Jones Studio Creative Process
17:02 Quincy Jones' 10-Second Rule and Session Readiness chapter 1
18:53 Cold Session Preparation and Musical Feel
21:50 Guitar as Drummer and Amp Modeling Tech chapter 2
24:57 Modern Guitar Amp Modeling Technology
26:24 Quiet Stages and Digital Amp Consistency
28:04 Remote Recording and AI in Music chapter 2
29:43 Technology Evolution in Music Production
31:31 AI in Music and Life
33:51 Importance of Mentorship in Music Education chapter 2
36:17 Mentorship and Real-World Session Preparation
38:09 Critique of Music School Instructors
39:56 Favorite Recordings and Solo Career Journey chapter 1
42:32 Iconic Guitar Solos and Solo Career Launch
44:33 Solo Career and Legacy Educational App chapter 1
46:47 Music Education Platform and Firearms Training

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