About this episodeThe guest discusses the pivotal role of prison in forming the Griselda collective, detailing how shared incarc…AI summary
The guest discusses the pivotal role of prison in forming the Griselda collective, detailing how shared incarceration experiences with Westside Gunn and Conway the Machine laid the foundation for their business partnership. He also recounts his near-fatal shooting in 2012, the resulting nerve damage and Bell's palsy, and how overcoming these physical challenges fueled his resilience and artistic drive.
Key takeaways 5
Prison as a bonding agent: The guest emphasizes that the core members of Griselda (Westside Gunn, Conway, Benny) formed their bond while incarcerated together at FCI Ashland in Kentucky, where they discussed future business plans and established a predestined partnership.
Financial limitations in prison: Despite having significant wealth, the guest notes that prison restricts spending to approximately $50 per month, making character and loyalty more valuable than money during incarceration.
Interconnectedness of existence: The guest proposes a theory that all human actions are interconnected, suggesting that events in one location (e.g., a car crash in Buffalo) can have ripple effects globally (e.g., a shooting in Shanghai), highlighting the unity of human experience.
Resilience through adversity: The shooting incident and subsequent paralysis were viewed as necessary destruction to rebuild a stronger self, with the guest stating, 'you had to be destroyed to be rebuilt.'
Medical defiance: The guest kept a bullet fragment in his neck for 18 months to avoid surgery and maintain his ability to perform, using the physical threat as motivation to stay active and successful.
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“You had to be destroyed to be rebuilt.”
▶ 0:06Reflecting on how the shooting and subsequent paralysis forced a transformation that ultimately strengthened his career and mindset.
“I got a hundred and ten million dollars and I can't spend but one of these million here... you can only spend $50 a month.”
▶ 13:48Explaining the financial reality of incarceration, where money is irrelevant compared to character and social dynamics.
“What if all of our existences twine in some way... what if every time they do something and an action takes place it has an incoherent effect to our community?”
▶ 23:33Describing his philosophical view on the interconnectedness of human actions and global events.
“I walked around I had the bullet in my neck for like a year and a half only because like I'm like [ __ ] like I was just mad rebellious... I want them digging back in my neck... I know I want them fine going back under that night.”
▶ 34:50Explaining his decision to leave a bullet fragment in his body to avoid surgery that might have ended his performing career.
“Incredulous is by definition unwilling to admit or accept what is offered as true... all of the members of the Grizelda group have incredulous stories of how they survived their circumstances.”
▶ 41:37The host's 'Word of the Week' selection, summarizing the unbelievable nature of the group's survival and success against odds.
Chapters & Sections (28)▼
0:00Music Industry Deals and Management Decisionschapter3
0:00Signing with Shady Records and Rock Nation
2:17Searching for Music Management and Industry Partnerships
4:11Meeting in Prison and Predestined Friendship
6:22Memories of Prison Life and Friendshipschapter3
6:22Childhood Memories of Incarceration and Friendship
8:09Life in Prison and Personal Reflections
9:49Life in Prison and Social Dynamics
13:14Financial Limitations and Social Expectationschapter4
13:14Financial Limitations and Social Class Perception
15:12Comparing Federal and State Prison Systems
17:06Life in Prison and Personal Redemption
19:28Experiencing Trauma and Incarceration as a Young Adult
22:03Interconnectedness of Human Existences and Actionschapter5
22:03Interconnectedness of Human Existences and Events
24:04Community Impact of Incoherent Actions
25:40Growing Up in Atlanta Nightlife Culture
27:03Overcoming Adversity and Career Opportunities
28:48Overcoming Adversity and Personal Growth
32:05Overcoming Physical Therapy and Nerve Damage Challengeschapter2
32:05Overcoming Adversity and Finding Inner Strength
34:31Overcoming Physical Challenges and Adapting to Disability
36:56Overcoming Self-Doubt and Building Confidencechapter5
36:56Overcoming Self-Doubt and Building Confidence
39:26Overcoming Adversity and Mental Health Struggles
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