About this episodeDocumentarians Coodie Simmons and Chike Ozah discuss the creation of the Netflix trilogy 'Genius,' detailing t…AI summary
Documentarians Coodie Simmons and Chike Ozah discuss the creation of the Netflix trilogy 'Genius,' detailing their 15-year journey filming Kanye West from his early days in Chicago to his global stardom. They emphasize that their success and Kanye's were parallel, driven by unwavering faith, patience, and a commitment to authenticity over financial gain or control. The conversation highlights how maintaining a genuine, unfiltered relationship allowed them to capture a definitive narrative that Kanye himself eventually embraced.
Key takeaways 5
Financial Leverage in Creative Partnerships: Coodie Simmons deliberately avoided taking payment for early footage (like the 'Through the Wire' video) to maintain creative control and leverage. He explains that taking money would have meant losing ownership of the story, stating, 'if he decides to like make it easier on him to get this done and take money he loses all his leverage he loses control over the project.'
The Role of Faith in Patience: The documentarians attribute their ability to endure a 15-year filming process and Kanye's volatile behavior to deep faith. Chike Ozah notes that Coodie's faith provided the patience necessary to stay the course, describing Coodie as a 'godsend' who helped build his own faith and keep the long-term vision clear amidst short-term chaos.
Editing Philosophy: The team used Robert McKee's book 'Story' as a guiding principle for editing 330 hours of footage down to 6 hours. Their rubric was strict: 'if this amazing clip that would go viral everywhere if it don't move the story forward we have to get rid of it,' prioritizing narrative cohesion over viral moments.
Authenticity Through Non-Judgment: Coodie Simmons explains that Kanye remained 'real' around him because Coodie never judged or tried to manipulate him. He states, 'you can't be any other side of yourself other than your real self when you're in front of cody,' suggesting that his empathetic, non-performative presence allowed for intimate access that others couldn't achieve.
Redefining Genius: The core thesis of the documentary is that genius is not tied to madness but to dedication. Chike Ozah defines genius simply as 'putting so many hours into something that you love and are passionate about that it and what you're doing you far exceed the average person in that.'
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“Yesterday's price is not today's price.”
▶ 3:31Coodie Simmons clarifying a viral quote often attributed to Kanye West, noting it was originally said by Heather B and co-opted by Kanye.
“If it don't move the story forward we have to get rid of it.”
▶ 15:48Coodie Simmons explaining their strict editing criteria for the documentary, prioritizing narrative over viral potential.
“You can't be so mean you can't be any other side of yourself other than your real self when you're in front of cody.”
▶ 31:13Chike Ozah describing why Kanye remained authentic around Coodie, highlighting Coodie's role as a non-judgmental observer.
“Genius is simply like putting so many hours into something that you love and are passionate about that it and what you're doing you far exceed the average person in that.”
▶ 34:07Chike Ozah defining genius as a result of dedication and passion rather than mental instability.
“I didn't see that kanye when i started filming i didn't see my daughter you know as this alien looking baby.”
▶ 16:50Coodie Simmons reflecting on the parallel growth he witnessed between Kanye's rise and his own daughter's development during the filming period.
Chapters & Sections (35)▼
0:09Producer Reflects on Past Successes and Collaborationschapter2
0:09Producer Reflects on Past Successes and Future Projects
3:01Interview with Creators of Genius Kanye Trilogy
5:31Kanye West Documentary Behind the Scenes Discussionchapter3
5:31Interview about Kanye West Documentary
7:27Kanye West's Early Career and Channel Zero
9:23Kanye West's Mental Health Struggles and Documentary
10:59Patience and Faith in the Entertainment Industrychapter3
10:59Patience and Faith in the Entertainment Industry
13:29Artist's Patience and Perseverance in Creative Process
15:00Planning and Preparing for a Viral Video
16:19Parental Concerns about Documenting Family Memberschapter2
16:19Parental Concerns About Documenting Family Members
19:03Discussing Genius Trilogy and Career Moments
20:35Artist's Resilience After Near-Fatal Car Accidentchapter3
20:35Artist's Resilience After Life-Changing Car Accident
21:56Jay-Z's Chicago Performance and Rockefeller Records
23:13Kanye West's Early Career and Financial Struggles
26:11Kanye West's Personal Relationship with Swaychapter2
26:11Kanye West's Personal Relationship with Sway
28:22Reflecting on Respect and Personal Relationships
30:34Kanye's Personality Change After Achieving Famechapter3
30:34Kanye's Personality Change After Success
32:21Kanye West's Perspective on Fame and Genius
33:55Defining Genius Beyond Madness and Brilliance
36:04Kanye West's Artistic Process and Documentary Filmingchapter2
36:04Artist Mentorship and Public Footage Release
37:51Separation from Family and Career Changes
40:30Family Appreciation and Support for Music Projectchapter3
40:30Family Appreciation and Support for Music Project
42:43Chicago Community Empowerment and Support
44:13Gratitude and Reflection on Loss and Empathy
45:33Kanye West Album and Career Reflectionschapter2
45:33Kanye West Album and Career Reflections
47:54Celebrity Congratulates and Thanks Audience Members