About this episodeZachary Atkins, a top 1% guitarist and owner of a seven-figure music school empire with four locations, explai…AI summary
Zachary Atkins, a top 1% guitarist and owner of a seven-figure music school empire with four locations, explains that one does not need to be a musician to own a music school. He outlines a business model focused on hiring competent teachers, charging premium rates, and strategically locating schools in high-income suburbs to maximize convenience for parents. The conversation also highlights the importance of consistent content creation and overcoming the fear of rejection in sales.
Key takeaways 6
Music School Business Model: Non-musicians can build seven-figure music schools by hiring teachers (guitar, piano, vocals, drums) and providing them with a facility. The owner makes money by taking a cut of the lesson fees while paying teachers a competitive wage.
Location Strategy: Successful schools are located in affluent suburbs (e.g., Elkhorn, Gretna near Omaha) rather than city centers or near competitors like Guitar Center. This reduces commute time for parents, making it easier for them to drop off kids for lessons.
Lesson Structure: Lessons should be 30 minutes long, especially for children, to prevent overwhelm and maintain engagement. Students learn small chunks weekly that stack over time.
Sales Mindset: The host shares that he sold 14 cars in his first month by simply following instructions and being persistent, highlighting that success often comes from not quitting and following a proven system rather than innate talent.
Content Creation: Viral success often comes from relatable, humorous content rather than strictly educational material. Atkins gained followers through funny videos about bald musicians and negative VIP experiences that resonated with others.
Teacher Selection: Prioritize teachers who are upbeat, nice, and good with families over those who are technically brilliant but have poor customer service skills. The environment and student experience are key to retention.
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“You don't have to be a musician to own a music school. The question is is do you want to make seven figures and do you like music?”
▶ 00:03Atkins clarifies that musical proficiency is not a prerequisite for ownership, only a passion for the industry and business acumen.
“I don't think burning out is a thing. I think you just feel undervalued and underpaid. But if you were making a billion dollars teaching guitar, you'd never be burned out because you would literally have that much more energy to do so.”
▶ 00:51Atkins redefines burnout as a symptom of being underpaid and undervalued rather than an inherent part of the work.
“It's not practice until you get it right. It's practice until you can't get it wrong.”
▶ 51:23A principle shared by both speakers regarding mastery in music and business, emphasizing repetition and consistency.
“It doesn't matter what you like. It's what everybody else likes. You need all these different fireworks, but you only sell sparklers and nobody's buying from you.”
▶ 01:06:25The host uses a Joe Rogan analogy to explain why musicians should teach high-demand instruments (guitar, piano) rather than niche ones (trumpet) if they want to make money.
“I would rather find a teacher who's more upbeat, super nice, loves to work with families and kids... than somebody who's really great, but they suck with customer service.”
▶ 01:03:26Atkins emphasizes that soft skills and customer experience are more valuable in a teaching business than pure technical ability.
Chapters & Sections (136)▼
00:00Building a Successful Music Business Empirechapter5
00:00Building a Successful Music Business
00:37Starting a Successful Music School Business
01:43Building Successful Businesses from Scratch
02:06Breaking Down Misconceptions About Making Money
02:38Transitioning from Unrelated Career to Music
03:03Overcoming Obstacles to Achieve Successchapter3
03:03Transitioning from Sales to Teaching Music
03:47Following Passion vs Making a Living
04:24Overcoming Failure in Business Ventures
05:02Building Online Presence through Humor and Relatabilitychapter3
05:02Building a Large Online Following
05:30The Power of Viral Content Creation
06:03Success with Viral Content Creation Experiences
06:30Creating Content for Maximum Engagementchapter2
06:30Content Creation Strategy and Market Analysis
07:04Authenticity in Content Creation
07:53Overcoming Sales Fears and Achieving Successchapter2
07:53Overcoming Sales Obstacles with Confidence
08:40Influences on Personal Development and Business
09:16Growing Up in a Small Town Influences Musicchapter2
09:16Growing Up in a Small Town
10:03Early Life Experiences and Career Path
10:46Making a Living from Music Passionchapter
11:55Starting a Music School Business Modelchapter2
11:55Starting a Music School Business Opportunity
12:59Starting a Business Without Special Talent
13:20Learning to Play Guitar and Sing Country Musicchapter2
13:20Building a Career in the Music Industry
13:47Learning to Play Musical Instruments for Fun
14:36Learning to Play Piano Without Formal Trainingchapter
15:40The Power of Music and Emotional Connectionchapter2
15:40The Power of Music and Emotional Connection
16:22Power of Music to Evoke Emotions
16:59The Natural Rhythm of Music and Human Abilitychapter3
16:59The Nature of Music and Sound Theory
17:22Unlocking Natural Musical Ability
17:52Vocal Range and Singing Ability
18:30The Power of Music on Human Memorychapter2
18:30The Power of Music and Emotional Connection
18:53The Power of Music in Memory Formation
19:49Favorite Guitar Players and Influences Discussedchapter2
19:49Favorite Guitar Players and Influences Discussed
20:33Guitar Influences and Favorite Shredder Guitarists
21:15Guitar Playing Styles and Expectationschapter3
21:15The Evolution of Guitar Playing Styles
21:54Learning to Play the Guitar
22:19Heavy Metal Music Preferences and Influences
23:04Custom Guitars and High-End Musical Instrumentschapter3
23:04Guitar Playing and Custom Instruments
23:34Custom Guitars and High-End Musical Instruments
24:11Electric Guitar Signature Models and Design
24:38Learning to Play the Guitarchapter4
24:38Making Money in a Lucrative Industry
25:27Tapping Guitar Techniques and Musical Appreciation
26:01Building Resilience Through Persistent Effort
26:28Learning to Play a Musical Instrument
26:50Best Guitars for Beginners and Learningchapter3
26:50Best Guitars for Beginners
27:14Learning to Play the Guitar Quickly
27:50Learning Guitar Online Without Formal Education
28:23Effective Music Learning Techniques and Strategieschapter3
28:23Importance of Personalized Music Lessons
29:06Understanding Music Theory Fundamentals
29:28Learning Music by Ear Techniques
30:10The Importance of Regular Guitar Practicechapter
31:31The Art of Finger Tapping on Guitarchapter2
31:31Making Money in a Lucrative Industry
32:16Learning Guitar Techniques and Speed Tapping
32:49Guitar Playing Techniques and Sound Productionchapter
34:14Guitar Electronics and Pickup Systems Explainedchapter3
34:14Playing Musical Instruments Without Picking Strings
34:46Guitar Characteristics and Features Explained
35:19Guitar Electronics and Pickup Configuration Explained
36:24Guitar Tuning and Instrument Selection Techniqueschapter2
36:24Guitar Tunings and Sound Preferences
37:17Guitar Tuning and Playing Techniques
38:08Starting a Business Without Expertise Requiredchapter2
38:08Simplifying Music Business Operations
39:22Owning a Business Without Required Licenses
39:46Owning a Law Firm Without Being a Lawyerchapter2
39:46Owning a Law Firm Without Being a Lawyer
41:14Alternative Business Structures in Law Firms
41:55Workarounds for Non-Professionals in Business Ownershipchapter1
41:55Workarounds for Non-Professionals in Business Ownership
43:23Owning a Business Without Direct Experience Requiredchapter3
43:23Buying and Running a Business with an SBA Loan
44:05Entrepreneurship Opportunities in the Music Industry
44:38Making Money in the Music Industry
45:17Starting a Music School Business Basicschapter2
45:17Starting a Music Business Venture
46:04Setting Up a Recording Studio on a Budget
46:39Starting a Music School Business on a Budgetchapter2
46:39Finding Affordable Spaces for Educational Businesses
47:20Common Mistakes in Music School Business Operations
47:56The Importance of Teacher Compensation and Locationchapter2
47:56The Dangers of Undervaluing One's Time and Talent
48:39Strategic Business Location for Music Schools
49:34Effective Learning in Short, Consistent Sessionschapter1
49:34Effective Learning in Short, Consistent Sessions
50:54The Importance of Long-Term Commitment in Businesschapter2
50:54Overcoming Self-Doubt and Developing Persistence
51:35Starting a Business with Minimal Initial Investment
52:20Entrepreneurial Success in Online Advertisingchapter
53:42Mandatory Mask Policies and Personal Freedomchapter3
53:42Critique of COVID-19 Mask Mandates
54:20Private Businesses and Personal Freedom
54:41Experiencing Issues with Face Masks in Public
55:08Experiences with COVID-19 Safety Protocols and Regulationschapter2
55:08Criticism of Inconsistent COVID-19 Safety Protocols
55:42Entrepreneurial Experiences in the Music Industry
56:23Marketing Strategies for Guitar Saleschapter2
56:23Product Endorsements and Sponsorship Deals
56:48The Psychology of Luxury Guitar Ownership
57:28Learning to Play the Guitar for Funchapter2
57:28Choosing a Guitar for Learning to Play
58:02Becoming a Country Music Singer
58:44Comparing Natural Ability and Skill Developmentchapter2
58:44Karaoke Experiences and Singing Challenges
59:23Advantage and Limitations in Competitive Environments
01:00:09Overcoming Talent Limitations in Creative Pursuitschapter
01:01:24Vocal Range and Singing Techniques Explainedchapter2
01:01:24Finding a Suitable Vocal Range in Singing
01:02:06Learning to Sing with Proper Vocal Technique
01:02:53Making Money in the Music Industrychapter3
01:02:53Making Seven Figures in a Lucrative Industry
01:03:16Finding and Evaluating Music Teachers
01:03:37Choosing a Music Teacher or Instructor
01:04:16Music Instrument Popularity and Teaching Opportunitieschapter1
01:04:16Music Instrument Popularity and Teaching Opportunities
01:05:37The Importance of Market Demand in Musicchapter2
01:05:37The Value of Being in Demand
01:06:18Diversifying Income Streams in Music Industry
01:06:55Starting a Music School Businesschapter2
01:06:55Starting a Music School Without Musical Talent
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