About this episodeTreach from Naughty by Nature discusses the evolution of the music industry, contrasting the transparent physi…AI summary
Treach from Naughty by Nature discusses the evolution of the music industry, contrasting the transparent physical sales era with today's opaque streaming and bot-driven metrics. He details the permanent split from groupmates Vin Rock and DJ Kaygee due to financial disputes and creative control issues, while reflecting on the positive, conceptual nature of 90s hip-hop culture compared to modern trends. The conversation also covers his successful acting career, touring experiences with legends like Public Enemy and Queen Latifah, and his pride in maintaining a direct-to-fan business model.
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Industry Transparency: In the physical era (CDs/vinyl), sales were trackable via paperwork and receipts, preventing fraud. Today, streaming numbers are opaque, allowing labels to use 'bots' and bundled sales to manipulate chart positions and payments, making it difficult for artists to verify true popularity.
Naughty by Nature Split: The group's breakup was not just about money but about 'playing positions.' Treach felt he wrote the majority of their hits (earning only 1/3 writer's credit) while his partners received lifetime royalties. He refuses to reunite because he views their actions as repeated 'backstabbing' and 'behind-the-back business deals.'
Creation of O.P.P.: The hit song 'O.P.P.' was created quickly (16 minutes) using a Michael Jackson/Jackson 5 sample. The title originated from a friend who was 'down with OPM' (Other People's Money). The song's call-and-response hook ('Hey ho') was designed based on party dynamics to engage crowds, and the explicit lyrics required edited versions for radio play.
90s Hip-Hop Culture: The 90s featured more positive, conceptual messaging (e.g., Public Enemy's 'Self Destruction', Jungle Brothers promoting condoms during the AIDS crisis) and diverse styles. In contrast, Treach believes modern hip-hop has become monolithic, focusing heavily on explicit content, sexual themes, and 'microwave' trends rather than lasting artistry.
Direct-to-Consumer Strategy: Ice-T is cited as a model for bypassing industry gatekeepers by selling music exclusively through his own website (ic.com), thereby cutting out 'bots' and maintaining direct control over fan data and revenue.
Acting Preparation: Treach emphasizes that professionalism in acting requires knowing lines perfectly, being punctual, and networking. He notes that failing to prepare can lead to being blackballed in the industry, regardless of musical fame.
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“Once you get stabbed in the back once or twice, the wound could heal. Maybe you might... Once you keep cutting the wound and then doing behind the back business deals... it'll never happen.”
▶ 5:26Treach explains why he believes Naughty by Nature will never reunite, citing repeated betrayals by his former groupmates.
“You can't go for nobody in the label no more. You gotta go kill a computer... You gotta talk to the bots.”
▶ 3:42Discussing the frustration of modern music industry metrics where streaming numbers can be artificially inflated by bots, making it impossible to track real success.
“Back then a lot of music had messages. It was positive. Everything now is pretty much you kill... It's like uh I we like it's now for females is straight ho rap... Everybody on a pole, everybody twerking.”
▶ 46:12Treach contrasts the conceptual and socially conscious nature of 90s hip-hop with what he perceives as the decline in lyrical substance and rise of explicit content in modern rap.
“I got my rights. Congratulations to that, man. Passport pimping. That's right. Worldwide cuz that cuz Storm know that that um Naughty by Nation catalog sale. It's going to be a big bag.”
▶ 7:28Treach asserts his ownership of his songwriting credits and catalog, predicting significant future revenue from the Naughty by Nature catalog sales.
“If they got to take 7,000 takes cuz you don't know your [__] lines and everything else, that word get around... You don't never know who you I done did so many different shits with [__] that blew up and called me after the fact.”
▶ 39:21Advice on maintaining a professional reputation in the acting industry by being prepared and reliable.
Chapters & Sections (30)▼
0:00Music Industry Bots and Naughty By Nature Splitchapter2
2:01Music Industry Shipping and Streaming Economics
3:33Ice-T Direct Sales and Naughty By Nature Split
5:26Naughty By Nature Split and O.P.P. Creationchapter4
7:09Naughty By Nature Catalog Rights and O.P.P. Legacy
8:37Meaning of the Chain and O.P.P. Origin
10:02Naughty By Nature O.P.P. Creation Process
11:43O.P.P. Lyrics and Queens Origin
13:43Acting Auditions and 1990 Tour Memorieschapter2
15:22Acting Audition Advice and Tips
16:40Meeting 2Pac on 1990 Tour
18:421980s Hip Hop Tours and Positive Messageschapter1
20:141990 Safety and 80s Hip Hop Messages
21:5890s Hip Hop Culture, Fashion, and Product Pitchchapter2
23:4490s Communication and Bask & Lather Pitch
24:57Naughty By Nature Split and 90s Fashion
26:49Naughty By Nature History and Familychapter1
28:35Naughty By Nature History and Family
31:23Hip Hop Longevity and Acting Careerchapter2
33:21Global Hip Hop Culture and Jersey Artists
34:40Acting Career and Film Roles
37:082Pac Hotel Story and Acting Advicechapter1
39:45Jersey Hip Hop Top Five List
41:25Impact of 90s Hip Hop Artistschapter2
44:08Self-Destruction's Unique Hip Hop Impact
46:12Positive Messages in 90s Hip Hop
48:09Hip Hop Evolution and Onyx Tourchapter3
50:05Onyx Beat Analysis and Tour Plans
51:16Pete Rock and Naughty By Nature Split
53:05Naughty By Nature Tour and Documentary Plans
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