Cartel Terrorism: One On One with Jaeson Jones | Episode 2

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About this episode Jason Jones, a former Texas DPS Captain, argues that the US intelligence and law enforcement architecture has … AI summary

Jason Jones, a former Texas DPS Captain, argues that the US intelligence and law enforcement architecture has failed for 50 years by treating cartels as simple criminal organizations rather than foreign paramilitary terrorist entities. He asserts that the recent designation of Mexican cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO) is a critical turning point that enables a strategy of total elimination rather than mere disruption, targeting the 'company' (lawyers, accountants, and corrupt officials) rather than just the enforcement wing. Jones warns that cartels are adapting by shifting drug distribution to international waters and Europe, and that the US must leverage advanced military and intelligence capabilities to dismantle their parallel government structures in Mexico.

Key takeaways 7
  • The FTO designation provides the Department of Defense and intelligence agencies with new authorities to treat cartels as military targets, shifting policy from 'dismantle/disrupt' to 'total elimination'.
  • Cartels have evolved into transnational paramilitary organizations operating in 65 countries, with deep ties to Middle Eastern terrorist groups, Chinese Triads, and Iranian regimes, moving beyond simple drug trafficking.
  • The 'Company' model: Cartels operate like corporations where the bosses are protected by lawyers, accountants, and corrupt government officials; targeting these key nodes is more effective than chasing low-level enforcers.
  • Cartels are adapting to border security by shifting operations to international waters (using refueling stations) and air smuggling (short landings), and are beginning to export fentanyl/meth to Europe and Australia to maintain revenue streams.
  • The FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting system (UCR) is obsolete (from 1929/1934) and fails to track transnational crimes like human trafficking and money laundering, creating a false narrative that crime is decreasing while public safety crises worsen.
  • Mexican cartels utilize a sophisticated 'honey network' of lookouts, including children as young as 8-10 with encrypted radios, extending up to 70 miles into the US, making them highly resistant to traditional law enforcement.
  • The Zetas cartel introduced military discipline and tradecraft to Mexican crime, forcing rival cartels to create enforcement wings or perish, leading to hyper-violence tactics like mass graves and acid dissolution of bodies.
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  • “It's now a mixture of everything... they just put it all in and they mix it up... they're poly addicted... at the underlier of it is the opioid addiction we've never been here as a country.”
    ▶ 0:00 Jones explains the current drug crisis in Philadelphia and beyond, where chemists create lethal cocktails of fentanyl, cocaine, heroin, and xylazine, creating a new level of addiction severity.
  • “The policy is right for this country: total elimination. It's not about dismantling and disrupting... the organizations as we know them today are going to be over.”
    ▶ 49:47 Jones defines the new administration's stance on cartels, distinguishing it from the failed 50-year strategy of merely disrupting criminal enterprises.
  • “They gave it away for free... that's how they owned the market... they took over the market... when fentanyl hit in 2015 the bastards gave it away for free.”
    Jones details how cartels used predatory pricing strategies to displace local methamphetamine labs and Colombian heroin distributors in US cities like Philadelphia.
  • “You can't count a body that doesn't exist... by G that's when they put them in the acid... you can darn sure put them in a barrel after you chop their arms or heads and their legs off and you can cook them to ash.”
    ▶ 41:42 Jones describes the extreme brutality of the Zetas cartel in Alende, Mexico, where they dissolved entire towns' bodies in acid to hide evidence of massacres.
  • “The FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting System... was created in 1929... only captured eight index crimes... doesn't cover drug trafficking, weapons trafficking, money laundering, human smuggling, human trafficking.”
    Jones critiques the federal government's inability to accurately measure crime because their statistical tools are obsolete and exclude major transnational crimes.

Chapters & Sections (113)

0:00 Fentanyl and Opioid Addiction Crisis Explained chapter 3
0:00 Opioid Addiction Crisis in the US
2:01 Former Texas DPS Counter Terrorism Specialist
4:06 Mexican Cartels Designation Efforts
6:10 US Intelligence Agencies Separation from American People chapter 3
6:10 US Intelligence Agencies Separation from American People
8:10 Government Agencies and Cartel Designation Debate
9:41 Cartels Designation as Foreign Terrorist Organizations
11:58 Gulf Cartel Reunification and US Implications chapter 2
11:58 Gulf Cartel Reunification and US Implications
13:43 US Border Security and Transnational Crime
16:35 Cartel Structure and Law Enforcement Strategy chapter 2
16:35 Cartel Structure and Enforcement Strategies
18:15 Cartel Structure and Law Enforcement Strategy
21:03 Mexican Cartel Leaders and DEA Agent Torture chapter 3
21:03 Former Mexican Cartel Leader's Return to Power
22:45 Torture Techniques to Induce Helplessness
23:58 US Intelligence Agencies and Cartel Designation
25:39 US Enemies Counting on Bureaucratic Inaction chapter 2
25:39 US adversaries' strategic thinking and miscalculations
27:54 Cartel Network and Corruption in Mexico
29:53 US-Mexico Cartel Strategy and Challenges chapter 4
29:53 Mexican Cartel Strategy and Collaboration Challenges
32:17 US Agencies' Inefficiencies in Counter-Narcotics Operations
33:33 Counterterrorism Strategies and Law Enforcement Models
35:28 US Marshals and DEA Agents' Heroic Efforts
37:22 Government Agencies' Inefficiency and Corruption chapter 3
37:22 US Agencies' Inefficiency and Bureaucratic Red Tape
38:59 US Government's Handling of Intel and Cowardice
40:23 Rise of the Zetas Cartel in Mexico
41:58 Failed Intel and Mass Murder in Progresso chapter 2
41:58 Account of Zetas Mass Murder in Progresso
44:27 Discussion of Operation in Foreign Country
46:47 Rescue Mission in Mexico chapter 2
46:47 Rescue Mission in Mexico
49:33 US Government Targets Mexican Cartels and MS13
51:07 Global Cartel Network and Terrorist Partnerships chapter 4
51:07 Global Cartel Network and Partnerships
52:43 Global Cartel Networks and Terrorist Organizations
54:32 US Government Failure to Combat Terrorist Groups
56:02 US Intelligence Agencies and Narco Terrorists
57:48 US Operations in Mexico and Potential Consequences chapter 3
57:48 US Operation in Mexico and Potential Consequences
59:43 Mexican Cartels and the Rule of Law
1:01:16 US-Mexico Relations Under Biden Administration
1:02:44 Stacy Holland's Helicopter Operation in Mexico chapter 2
1:02:44 Story of Stacy Holland's Helicopter Operation
1:05:15 Acknowledging Hard Work and Dedication
1:07:53 Personal Account of Kensington Philadelphia Devastation chapter 2
1:07:53 Personal Account of Kensington Philadelphia
1:10:08 Opioid Addiction Crisis in Philadelphia
1:12:05 Criticism of US Immigration Policy and Cartel Influence chapter 3
1:12:05 Criticism of Politicians and Immigration Policy
1:13:50 Cartels Exploiting Legalization of Recreational Drugs
1:15:05 Mexican Cartels Take Over US Meth Market
1:16:33 Fentanyl Crisis and Globalization chapter 2
1:16:33 Fentanyl Crisis in the United States
1:19:02 Cartels and the Opioid Crisis
1:20:59 Criticizing US Immigration Policy Failures chapter 3
1:20:59 Criticizing US Immigration Policy Failures
1:22:59 Human Trafficking and Cartel Involvement
1:24:30 Immigration Policy and Border Control
1:25:44 Missing Migrants and Cartel Smuggling Operations chapter 3
1:25:44 Missing People and Cartel Smuggling Operations
1:27:19 Human Trafficking through Stash Houses
1:28:33 Trafficking and Child Exploitation in Mexico
1:29:48 Trafficked Children and Cartel Operations chapter 2
1:29:48 Cartel Trafficking and Agent Challenges
1:31:59 US-Mexico Border Security and Cartel Accountability
1:34:26 Cult to the Underworld in Mexico chapter 2
1:34:26 Mexican Cult Worshiping Underworld Lady of Death
1:36:31 Cartel Violence and Human Sacrifices Described
1:38:56 US-Mexico Cartel Threats and American Citizens chapter 4
1:38:56 Mexican Cartels and US Foreign Policy
1:40:56 Cartels' Military Capabilities and Training
1:42:28 US Mexico Cartel Operations and Fentanyl Trafficking
1:44:11 Cartel Shifts Strategy Due to Border Security
1:46:50 Government Must Listen to Expert on Cartel Operations chapter 3
1:46:50 Cartels' Strategy to Outmaneuver Trump
1:48:54 US Strategy to Disrupt Mexican Cartel Operations
1:50:14 Managing Cartel Violence in Mexico
1:51:53 Cartels Extort Money from Legitimate Businesses chapter 2
1:51:53 Cartels Extort Money from Legitimate Businesses
1:53:35 Leadership Failure and Media Propaganda
1:55:58 Government Funding of Mainstream Media chapter 2
1:55:58 Media Influence and Control in America
1:58:11 Jason Jones' Dedication to Journalism
2:01:17 US Military Capabilities in Counter-Terrorism chapter 2
2:01:17 US Military Capabilities in Counter-Narcotics Efforts
2:03:30 Removing Cartel Influence from Mexican Government
2:05:40 US Cartels Embedded in Mexico's Ungoverned Spaces chapter 3
2:05:40 US Cartels Embedded in Mexico's Ungoverned Spaces
2:07:29 Mexican Generals Discuss Fast and Furious
2:08:51 Corruption in Mexican Government and Cartels
2:10:38 Cartel Operations and International Expansion chapter 4
2:10:38 Cartel Operations and Rise to Power
2:12:30 Cartel Briefing and International Drug Trafficking
2:14:02 Former State Agency Discusses Interdiction Methods
2:15:21 Texas Immigration and Public Safety Crisis
2:17:28 National Security Failure and Public Safety Crisis chapter 3
2:17:28 National Security Failure and Public Safety Crisis
2:18:58 Human Cost of Open Borders Policy
2:20:44 Human Trafficking and Smuggling Ring Exposed
2:22:21 Human Trafficking in the United States chapter 4
2:22:21 Human Trafficking and Outdated US Policies
2:24:17 FBI's Outdated Crime Reporting System Criticized
2:25:36 Transnational Crime on the US Border
2:27:04 FBI Data System Flawed and Misleading
2:29:18 Transnational Crime in Border City chapter 4
2:29:18 Transnational Crime in Mexico and US Border
2:30:55 Execution in Upscale Texas Mall Parking Lot
2:32:38 Corruption in Border Patrol and Law Enforcement
2:33:53 Former DEA Agent Discusses Team Efforts

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