About this episodeCongressman Thomas Massie discusses his introduction of the Epstein Transparency Act 2, detailing specific nam…AI summary
Congressman Thomas Massie discusses his introduction of the Epstein Transparency Act 2, detailing specific names he believes are guilty of sex crimes and outlining the DOJ's continued withholding of over 3 million files. He explains the legal strategy behind the new bill to bypass DOJ privileges and empower state prosecutors, while also addressing rumors regarding China's possession of the files and introducing a separate 'Flock Off' bill to ban surveillance cameras.
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Massie named specific individuals including Jess Staley, Leon Black, Les Wexner, David Copperfield, Lapo Elkann, Tom Pritzker, Glenn Dubin, Frederick Faeh, Eduardo Teodorani, John Luke Brunell, Danielle Sead, Ramsay Eloli, and Prince Andrew as perpetrators or conspirators based on sources outside the released documents.
The DOJ is withholding approximately 3 million files, citing 'deliberative process privilege' to avoid releasing internal memos regarding prosecution decisions, which Massie argues is a weak legal argument that his new bill aims to override.
Massie identified four specific categories of improperly withheld documents: deliberative process memos, FBI 302 witness interview forms (which the DOJ claims are redacted but legally must be unredacted), documents removed from the public database under the guise of improper redaction, and other unspecified files.
The Epstein Transparency Act 2 introduces standing for state Attorneys General to prosecute crimes under state laws without statute of limitations limits, specifically targeting crimes committed at Zorro Ranch in New Mexico.
Massie clarified that Leslie Grath was not a victim but a co-conspirator who intercepted information from modeling agents to compile a 'menu' of women for Epstein's crimes.
Regarding the rumor that China possesses the full Epstein files via lawyer Victor Gao, Massie stated that while nation-states like China and Russia collect leverage on foreign officials, he has no specific evidence China has these files and believes the DOJ already possesses them.
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“I gave that list not based on the documents that have been released, but based on other information... I'm using my privileges in the constitution that protect me from defamation suits... to name those people who I have evidence and reason to believe are guilty.”
▶ 1:50Massie explains the legal basis for naming high-profile individuals on the House floor without relying solely on the released Epstein files.
“Leslie Grath was intercepting information from the so-called modeling agents that were actually just compiling a menu of women for the people who were going to create these crimes. And she knew what she was doing. She knew what was going on. And she was not herself a victim.”
▶ 6:27Massie distinguishes between victims and co-conspirators, specifically targeting Leslie Grath's role in the trafficking scheme.
“The DOJ has quietly in memos sent to Congress said that we are exercising deliberative process privilege... The problem with that is our bill... says you have to give us the documents that show those decisions.”
▶ 17:02Massie outlines the primary legal obstacle the DOJ uses to withhold information and how his new bill attempts to circumvent it.
“I can tell you those are some of the most interesting documents that we need to look at that would help us see whether they are redacting the names of other perpetrators.”
▶ 26:17Massie describes documents that were pulled from the public database by the DOJ, suggesting they may contain redacted names of additional perpetrators.
Chapters & Sections (13)▼
0:00Massie Names Epstein Associateschapter2
2:54Epstein Co-Conspirators and Victim Sources
4:27Sex Crimes and Epstein Files Transparency Act
6:42Epstein Files Investigation and Silver Investmentchapter2
8:52Epstein Case Closure and Silver Investment
11:09Silver Price Prediction and Texas Legal Tender
13:04Epstein Transparency Act Two Legal Strategychapter1
15:54Overcoming DOJ Deliberative Process Privilege
18:40Epstein Files, DOJ Withholding, and China Rumorschapter2
21:03China Epstein Files and Todd Blanch Documents
24:11DOJ Withholding and Redacting Epstein Files
26:42Epstein Transparency Bill and Flock Camera Banchapter1