About this episodeSawyer Hill discusses his journey from a strict Pentecostal upbringing in Arkansas to becoming an independent …AI summary
Sawyer Hill discusses his journey from a strict Pentecostal upbringing in Arkansas to becoming an independent musician, highlighting the impact of his time working in a pathology lab and playing at unusual venues like wakes and vegan restaurants. He emphasizes the importance of artistic independence, the value of hard work over viral luck, and how his religious background influences his songwriting simplicity and performance style.
Key takeaways 5
Hill worked in a morgue and pathology lab, where he developed a coping mechanism of dissociation and gallows humor to handle the trauma of seeing body parts daily, which later influenced his dark lyrical themes.
He views the current music industry's shift towards independent touring (like All-American Rejects' house tours) as positive because it removes the barrier between artist and audience, allowing for direct connection without label interference.
Hill believes that viral success without prior grind (10,000 hours of work) often leads to poor outcomes, citing that true success is usually the result of years of unseen effort rather than overnight luck.
His strict Pentecostal upbringing involved specific rules (no makeup/haircuts for women, no facial hair for men) and practices like speaking in tongues, which he now views with a mix of nostalgia and understanding of its cult-like elements.
Hill draws parallels between his grandfather's fire-and-brimstone preaching and his own musical performance, noting that both require high energy, audience engagement, and a simple, direct message to resonate.
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“The barrier between me writing a song and then having 20 million people hear it is just a matter of like clicking record and posting it. And maybe to some people that sounds like dismissive or too easy, but it literally is that easy.”
▶ 3:22Hill discussing the democratization of music distribution and how independent artists can bypass traditional label gatekeepers.
“God is real. He's just not here ringing me so well. You know what I mean? Like I think there is there God is real you know and maybe you would call it something different. M um but at in that like really strict religious upbringing you feel unheard or you feel confused of like what God actually means you know and to growing up for me God meant fear.”
▶ 52:40Hill reflecting on his song 'Going to Hell' and how his childhood perception of God was based on fear and punishment rather than love.
“You are like an antenna for something else and it's kind of speaking through you. In my experience, those are when the best songs are made. Whenever it feels like you aren't actively thinking of what to say or what exactly you're pulling from and it just comes out.”
▶ 16:13Hill describing his songwriting process, suggesting that the best creative work happens when the artist stops overthinking and lets the music flow naturally.
“Most people who seemingly had a lucky moment who everybody says, 'Oh, wow. They just showed up and they made it.' They've been working for years and years and years and you just saw the windfall moment of it all locking in.”
▶ 32:58Hill addressing the 'industry plant' criticism faced by artists like YoungBoy Never Broke Again, emphasizing that visible success is often the result of long-term hustle.
Chapters & Sections (29)▼
0:00Strange Gigs and Music Industry Independencechapter2
1:44Intimate Shows vs Festivals and Music Marketing
3:29Viral Success and Career Pressure
5:12Strict Pentecostal Upbringing and Speaking in Tongueschapter1
6:53Pentecostal Rules and Speaking in Tongues Experience
11:10Working at a Morgue and Pathology Labchapter2
13:49Morgue Work and Acid Trip Realizations
15:20Childhood Music Restrictions and Influences
18:05Ukulele to Guitar Journey and Local Music Scenechapter1
20:32Local Music Scene Decline and Craigslist Drummers
22:45Childhood Memories: One-Ear Drummer and Religious Upbringingchapter1
24:06Pokemon Witchcraft and Gospel Music Parallels
27:04Gospel Influence, Viral Success, and Past Reflectionschapter2
28:43Overcoming Past Struggles with Gratitude
30:41Viral Success and the Grind
33:26Yungblud Touring and Songwriting Processchapter1
35:33Yungblud's Wild Touring and Songwriting
38:06Awkward Gigs and Money Changing Peoplechapter4
39:50Awkward First Gig and Moving to LA
41:02Living in LA vs Arkansas Fame
42:43Money Changing People and Touring Costs
44:31Producer Collaboration and Creative Limitations
46:10Vocal Development and Songwriting Processchapter1
48:49Vocal Range and Album Theme
51:28Religion, Perfectionism, and New Musicchapter1
53:13Music Video Production and Perfectionism
55:49Recommended Artists and Best Debut Albumschapter2
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