The John Waters Screenplays: A Reading and Conversation with The New Yorker’s Michael Schulman

The 92nd Street Y, New York
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About this episode John Waters discusses his screenwriting process, revealing that his early films were written on yellow legal p… AI summary

John Waters discusses his screenwriting process, revealing that his early films were written on yellow legal pads with a Bic pen and often developed organically without full pre-shoot scripts. He emphasizes the importance of genre parody, strict adherence to the 90-minute comedy rule, and the value of amateur, high-energy performances over technical polish. Waters also shares insights on character naming, the evolution from underground to Hollywood filmmaking, and his philosophy that satire should stem from love rather than malice.

Key takeaways 7
  • Writing Process: Waters wrote all his early films (including Pink Flamingos) using a Bic pen on yellow legal pads, often writing as he went along rather than having a complete script before shooting. He relied on extensive rehearsals where actors memorized long blocks of dialogue (e.g., six pages) to ensure precise delivery during single-take shoots.
  • Genre Parody Strategy: Every one of Waters' films is a parody of a specific genre (e.g., Hairspray as a dance movie, Serial Mom as true crime, A Dirty Shame as sexploitation). He advises filmmakers to start with a clear genre and a strong title.
  • The 90-Minute Rule: Waters adheres strictly to the old-school rule that no comedy should be longer than 90 minutes, structured in three 30-minute reels. He believes this structure is essential for maintaining comedic pacing.
  • Amateur Aesthetic vs. Technical Skill: Waters embraces an 'amateur' or 'raw' look, stating that 'technique is nothing more than failed style.' He prioritizes style and impact over technical perfection, often directing actors to scream or perform in an unhinged manner influenced by Theater of the Absurd.
  • Character Naming Sources: Many character names are derived from real-life observations or mundane sources: Tracy Turnblad from a mailbox, Amber von Tussle from a friend's girlfriend plus a 'rich girl' sound, Connie Marble from a Traveler's Aid worker, and Dawn Davenport from the common Midwest term for a couch.
  • Satire Through Love: Waters distinguishes his satire by stating he makes fun of things he loves, not hates. He argues that being mean is easy and only funny for a short time, whereas making fun of rules and oneself creates lasting impact.
  • Hollywood Adaptation: When moving to Hollywood (Hairspray, Serial Mom), Waters learned to accept studio notes and test screenings to buy creative freedom and financial stability. He notes that subplots often get cut in the final film but remain in the screenplay drafts.
Notable quotes 5 AI-generated: wording and quote attribution may be wrong. Use the play link to verify.
  • “I wrote every movie I've ever made and every book I've ever written with a Bic pen on yellow legal pads.”
    ▶ 14:57 Waters describing his low-tech, analog writing process for his early films.
  • “Technique is nothing more than failed style.”
    ▶ 27:53 Waters explaining his preference for raw, impactful style over polished technical execution.
  • “I make fun of things I love, not hate. And that's why I've lasted.”
    ▶ 56:06 Waters defining his approach to satire and why it resonates over time compared to mean-spirited comedy.
  • “If you don't want notes, if you don't want test screening, make a film with your friends on your phone. If you want to buy a house, take notes.”
    ▶ 42:17 Waters' pragmatic advice on navigating the commercial film industry versus independent filmmaking.
  • “Good filth is celebratory... Not trying too hard. Trying too hard. I hate when a lot of people say this movie is very like John Waters. I usually hate those movies because it just means they're trying too hard.”
    ▶ 49:14 Waters defining 'good filth' versus 'bad filth' and criticizing derivative works that lack joy.

Chapters & Sections (124)

00:05 John Waters' Pink Flamingos Opening Scene chapter 3
00:05 Director Reads Line Readings from Pink Flamingos
01:22 Divine's Hideout in Baltimore Exposed
01:56 Babs Johnson's Trailer Life Exposed
02:28 Mother Demands Eggs from Daughter Babs chapter 3
02:28 Babs in Her Mobile Home
03:02 Domestic Chaos and Relationship Tensions Escalate
03:33 Mother and Daughter Discuss Morning Routine
04:36 Connie Rejects Job Applicant Miss Sandstone chapter 5
04:36 Divine's Fame and Jealousy in Baltimore
05:18 Job Interview Turns Sour for Candidate
05:51 Job Placement Test Rejection Discussion
06:22 Job Rejection Conversation
06:54 Abusive Verbal Confrontation in a Professional Setting
08:01 Divine Reads from Female Trouble chapter 2
08:01 Interview with Female Trouble Contest Winner
08:50 Davenport Family Christmas Morning Scene
09:51 Dawn's Christmas Gift Disappointment and Outburst chapter 2
09:51 Disappointed Child Destroys Christmas Gifts
10:34 Dawn's Christmas Argument with Her Parents
11:22 Interview with Michael Schulman and John chapter 2
11:22 Christmas Morning with Dawn and Friends
12:25 Author Michael Schulman Discusses New Book
13:26 John Waters on Screenwriting and Early Films chapter 2
13:26 Discussion of Screenwriting and Filmmaking Process
14:13 Divine's Acting Skills and Writing Process
14:56 John Waters' Filmmaking Process and Scripting chapter 3
14:56 Early Filmmaking and Writing Habits
15:25 Filmmaking Process for Pink Flamingos
15:53 John Waters Discusses Creative Process
16:41 Divine's Early Career and Anarchic Filmmaking chapter 4
16:41 Filming Mondo Trashes on a Farm
17:11 Comedian's Influence on Humor and Content
17:44 Director Discusses Movie's Misinterpreted Scene
18:12 Divine's Stunt in Pink Flamingos
18:54 John Waters on Writing for His Ensemble Cast chapter 3
18:54 Interview with John Waters about Dreamlanders
19:28 Writing Roles for Specific Actors
19:59 John Waters on Edith Massey's Acting Style
21:23 Divine's Approach to Screenwriting and Comedy chapter 3
21:23 Divine's Life and Career as an Actress
22:12 Screenwriting Rules and Comedy Length
22:36 Screenwriting Cliches and Personal Approach
23:02 John Waters on Filmmaking and Genre chapter 2
23:02 John Waters' Early Film Influences and Inspiration
23:54 Film Genre and Marketing Strategies
24:36 Fashion and Film Inspiration Discussion chapter 2
24:36 Fashion Inspiration or Copyright Infringement
25:17 John Waters on Influences and Early Films
26:46 John Singleton's Filmmaking Philosophy and Career chapter 2
26:46 Tribute to a Collaborator and Friend
27:09 Interview with a Filmmaker on Creative Process
28:11 Character Name Inspiration and Creation Process chapter 2
28:11 Character Name Inspiration and Creation Process
28:59 Early Movie Experiences and Art Collectibles
29:38 Discussing Villain Names and Movie Titles chapter 4
29:38 Discussing Great Villain Names in Fiction
30:02 Conversations about Movie Stars and Furniture
30:24 John Waters on Film Titles and Inspiration
31:01 Hairspray and Serial Mom Themes Discussed
31:27 John Waters Discusses Filth in His Screenplays chapter 3
31:27 Female Trouble and Period Stigma Discussion
32:26 Woman Recognizes Abortion Line in Real Life
32:56 John Waters Discusses Immortal Movie Lines
33:53 Author Discusses Favorite Lines and Film Career chapter 2
33:53 Kidnapping in Movies and Book Revival
34:39 Bizarre Sex Scene Description in Screenplay
35:20 Author Discusses Publishing and Fan Art chapter 3
35:20 Discussion on Screenplay Writing and Publishing
35:50 Book Shops in Province Town Thrive
36:19 Author Discusses Fan Art and Personal Experience
37:13 John Waters Discusses Pink Flamingos and Female Trouble chapter 3
37:13 John Waters Discusses Pink Flamingos and Female Trouble
38:22 John Waters Discusses Pink Flamingos Reviews
38:54 Nostalgia for Old Film Business Practices
39:33 Childhood Experiences with Fame and Show Business chapter 2
39:33 Celebrity Obsession and the Pursuit of Fame
40:38 Childhood Behavior and Early Interest in Show Business
41:11 Screenwriting Process and Hollywood Experience chapter 2
41:11 Screenwriting Process with Hollywood Studios
41:55 Learning to Navigate the Hollywood Film Industry
42:50 John Waters Discusses Film Financing and Casting chapter 3
42:50 Marshall on Overcoming Negative Test Screenings
43:44 Working with Movie Stars and Celebrities
44:15 Tab Hunter's Early Career in Film
44:43 Unproduced Screenplay and Hollywood Movie Industry chapter 3
44:43 Hollywood Movies and Unmade Screenplays
45:23 Hollywood Movie Project Never Got Made
46:06 Paul Reubens Friendship and Memories
46:53 Divine's Cult Leader Film Plot Discussion chapter 3
46:53 Divine's Cult Leader Film Description
47:36 Underwater Ballet and Pink Flamingos Spoiler
48:03 Divine Family Flies on Magical Turd
48:37 Discussing Good and Bad Filth in Art chapter 2
48:37 Uncertain Situation and Filth Definition Discussion
49:14 Celebratory Filth vs Trying Too Hard
50:18 John Waters Discusses Unproduced Screenplays chapter 4
50:18 Author Discusses Unproduced Screenplays and Novel
50:47 Unproduced Screenplays and Hollywood Experience
51:23 Camp John Waters Experience Shared
51:44 Inappropriate Gift Request from a Friend
52:18 Counterculture Resistance and Identity chapter 3
52:18 Surgery Discussion and Port Picture
52:56 Counterculture Resistance Advice
53:42 Celebrity Fashion and Common Traits Discussion
54:20 Balancing Satire and Sincerity in Film chapter 2
54:20 Career Reflection and Personal Preferences
55:21 Balancing Satire and Sincerity in Film
56:04 Satire and Self-Deprecation in Comedy chapter 2
56:04 Satire and Self-Deprecation in Comedy
56:56 Racial Integration in Hairspray Movie
57:53 Author Discusses Editing Decisions and Personal Quirks chapter 3
57:53 Discussion on Cut Scenes and Studio Notes
58:25 Discussion on Movie Script and Province Town
58:56 Questioning Homophobia and Ageism
59:43 Philosophical Discussion on Nature and Life chapter 2
59:43 Philosophical Discussion on Nature and Life
01:00:18 Abusive Childhood and Celebrity Influences
01:01:30 Celebrity Interview Discusses Art and Culture chapter 2
01:01:30 Man shares unusual story about Patricia
01:02:18 Celebrity Interview on Drag Culture and Legacy
01:03:33 Divine's Legacy and Rediscovering Forgotten Artists chapter 2
01:03:33 Discussion of Divinity and Career
01:04:15 Conversation about Dagmar and Comedy Writing

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