About this episodeSam Smith discusses the release of their third album, 'Hazel Eyes', describing it as a liberating 'exorcism' a…AI summary
Sam Smith discusses the release of their third album, 'Hazel Eyes', describing it as a liberating 'exorcism' and a journey toward self-acceptance as an openly queer and non-binary artist. The conversation highlights a shift from seeking external validation to embracing authentic creative expression, supported by a close-knit team and a partner who fosters self-compassion.
Key takeaways 5
Creative Process: Smith utilizes a 'visual' and instinctual approach, dancing in the studio to convey emotion rather than relying on technical perfection or click tracks, resulting in a 'sepia world' aesthetic that feels timeless and old-world.
Queer Identity in Music: The album serves as a 'gateway to freedom' after previous works were constrained by industry expectations; Smith notes that queer love is often depicted as messy or painful, but this record captures the 'radical' and joyful nature of non-binary love.
Self-Compassion: Smith learned to be softer on themselves through their relationship with partner Christian, realizing that being hard on oneself transfers negative expectations to the world, whereas gentleness allows for deeper emotional access in art.
Industry Evolution: Smith contrasts the 'pop ho' culture of session-based production with the current album's intimate, long-term collaboration with producer Simon Aldred, emphasizing the value of having 'grown-ups' and mentors in the industry.
Mental Health & Solitude: Moving away from the 'quiet life' of England which felt uninspiring, Smith found autonomy and freedom in New York City, balancing the need for travel with the grounding presence of pets and domestic routines like reading and bathing.
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“It was a full-blown exorcism... It felt like a really messy birth.”
▶ 2:25Describing the emotional release and transformative nature of creating the album.
“My job is to express. Yes. And just leave it at that.”
▶ 1:31Reflecting on letting go of the need for external perception or validation.
“Dramatically timeless.”
A phrase coined by the host to describe Smith's artistic identity, which Smith adopts to describe the vintage yet radical nature of queer love in their music.
“I thought that when I fell in love I wouldn't be able to access sadness, melancholy... And um I I actually realized I captured I can capture it more intensely actually now because now I I think I feel deeper things through love than I did before.”
▶ 26:20Explaining how love deepened their ability to write about complex emotions like those in the song 'Thief'.
“The women in our family are like Marmite. She said, 'People either love us or hate us.' And I have become a big tub of Marmite.”
▶ 42:22Smith embracing their polarizing nature and finding comfort in their DNA.
Chapters & Sections (22)▼
0:00Music Release, Perception, and Queer Identitychapter3
1:38Music as Exorcism and Universal Themes
2:48Unholy as Gateway to Freedom
4:31Navigating Fame and Queer Identity
6:40Identity, Love, and Creative Processchapter
11:49Creative Process and Queer Lovechapter2
13:56Dramatically Timeless Queer Love Aesthetic
15:21Hazel Eyes and Queer Love Journey
17:59Self-compassion, Love, and New York Lifechapter2
19:35Choosing New York Over Quiet English Life
21:08New York Relationships and City Life
22:37Capturing Love and Darkness in Musicchapter5
24:49Capturing Love and Darkness in Music
26:20Love Deepens Emotional Storytelling
27:58Maturity and Guidance in Music Creation
29:45Blazing Own Path and Musical Transition
31:28Timelessness and Modern Classical Inspiration
33:51Madonna's Influence and Queer Identitychapter1
37:00Emotional Depth and Nourishing Nature of the Album
38:40Artist Evolution and Debut Album Reflectionschapter2
41:05Reflecting on Vocal Growth and Polarizing Persona