About this episodeAndrew Gruce, Eduardo Perez, and Aaron discuss franchises that should have ended after their initial success, …AI summary
Andrew Gruce, Eduardo Perez, and Aaron discuss franchises that should have ended after their initial success, citing Terminator, The Matrix, Jumanji, Home Alone, and Ted Lasso as examples of creative decline. The conversation highlights the tension between practical effects and CGI, noting that practical effects age better than digital ones. The hosts also debate the value of reboots versus sequels and the importance of execution over concept in long-running franchises.
Key takeaways 9
Terminator should have ended after T2; subsequent films became convoluted with timelines and nanobots, despite some fun moments.
The Matrix sequels suffered from execution issues, making the Matrix characters look 'dumb' compared to the cool Zion characters, diluting the original's impact.
Jumanji's reboot (Welcome to the Jungle) was a successful update, but the franchise declined with the third and fourth installments due to rushed production and lack of stakes.
Home Alone 2 was acceptable but unnecessary; Home Alone 3 was universally panned, leading society to pretend it doesn't exist.
True Detective's first season was a standalone masterpiece; later seasons lost their 'mythic quality' by forcing the brand onto unrelated stories.
Ted Lasso's fourth season was too 'happy-go-lucky' and unrealistic, causing the host to stop watching halfway through.
Indiana Jones should have ended with The Last Crusade; returning 20 years later with Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull felt like a cash grab with an alien skull that didn't fit the historical/mystical tone.
Practical effects (like in Terminator 2) age better than CGI, which can look dated or overly polished compared to modern standards.
Fast & Furious has gone from street racing to space and train battles, raising questions about when to stop such an extended franchise.
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“They should have stopped way before. You know what I'm going to say?”
▶ 0:20Andrew Gruce introducing his top pick for a franchise that should have ended.
“It's Elvis week on Elvis radio. What are you doing? That's the headline for Stallcast. We can't get into Stallcast because they're too busy reporting that it's Elvis week on Elvis radio.”
▶ 2:21Andrew Gruce complaining about SiriusXM's internal newsletter 'Stallcast' focusing on trivial updates instead of promoting new content like Blaze Arcade.
“I think it makes perfect sense when you are enthralled by the look of Fast and Furious. Sorry, original Star Wars does not hold up.”
▶ 12:40Eduardo Perez noting that while Fast & Furious CGI is impressive, older practical effects in Star Wars don't age as well as expected.
“The first one is perfect. Your brain, man. The Robin Williams one, right? I can never predict what you're going to say, but I also love... Jumanji.”
▶ 18:59Andrew Gruce expressing love for the original Jumanji while Eduardo Perez admits he hasn't seen any of them.
“What gets better in an archaeological sense than the Holy Grail? Nothing. You got Nazis he's fighting against. You got an iconic object... Why would you make another movie after that? And why would it be an alien skull that's a crystal?”
▶ 45:33Andrew Gruce explaining why Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a misstep.
Chapters & Sections (32)▼
0:00Franchises That Should Have Stoppedchapter3
1:52Elvis Radio Headline Critique
3:42Hollywood's Addiction to Franchises
5:20Defining Franchise Rules and Scope
7:36Terminator Franchise Should End After T2chapter2
9:04Unseen Franchises and Terminator Speculation
10:32Terminator Sequels Too Convoluted
11:55Practical Effects vs CGI and True Detective Seasonschapter2
13:37Practical Effects and Terminator 2 Discussion
15:08True Detective Anthology Branding Debate
17:54The Matrix Sequels Execution and Franchise Fatiguechapter2
19:32Matrix Sequels Execution and Franchise Fatigue
21:30Matrix Sequels Execution and Transformers Critique
23:29Jumanji Franchise Evolution and Declinechapter1
25:16Jumanji Reboot Critique and Sequel Concerns
28:47Jumanji Sequels and Home Alone 2 Critiquechapter1
31:20Home Alone 2 Plot and Reception
33:10Franchise Fatigue and Movie Traumachapter3
34:46Saw Franchise Evolution and Chris Rock
36:19Gore Fatigue and Final Destination Fun
37:41TV Show Trauma and Breaking Bad Critique
39:04Better Call Saul vs Ted Lasso Critiquechapter2
41:26Ted Lasso Critique and Better Call Saul Analysis
43:03Ted Lasso Season 3 Critique and Realism
44:17Indiana Jones Sequels and Trilogy Structurechapter2
45:33Indiana Jones 4 and Godfather 3 Critique
47:30Indiana Jones Reboot and Trilogy Structure
48:36Franchise Sequels and Reboots Critiquechapter4
51:00Tron Sequel and Reboot Discussion
52:42Blade Runner and Tron Franchise Discussion
54:08Fast and Furious Reboot Speculation
55:34Jurassic Park Crossover and Franchise Endings
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